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	<title>Comments on: Is our addiction to the private automobile worth all the death, air pollution, energy waste, and money that it?</title>
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		<title>By: linlyons</title>
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		<dc:creator>linlyons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that rather depends on where you are, what you do, and what you want in life.
for some years i did take the bus to work.
on the other hand, for recreation, it would have taken me 1-2 hours each way to do what i wanted to.

i find it interesting that fairly often people ask what other people should be doing.
it may be that you live in NY, where owning a car really isn&#039;t necessary.
if you lived in west texas, where there is no public transportation, it would be a very different story.
(i was just there, unfortunately.)

in fact, i live at the top of a rather steep hill.
and there isn&#039;t a bus.
i&#039;d have to take a taxi every time i came home.
particularly if i had a bag of groceries.
if i wanted to visit some friends 10 miles or so away, i&#039;d be looking at 3 different public transportation rides, each way.
turns out that i&#039;m somewhat forgetful these days.
i can run down to the market in 20 minutes, or depend on the once every 1/2 hour bus.
and take a taxi back up the hill that i&#039;m really not inclined to carry a gallon or 2 of milk up.

it may be that you don&#039;t mind being tied to public transportation.
however there are lots of us that find it quite hampering.
it&#039;s not that we drive an SUV to go get our groceries.
but at the same time, we&#039;d rather not be restricted to the local bus schedule, and not go anywhere on Sunday.

Clearly there are people that waste more gas than would seem appropriate.
if that&#039;s your problem, then maybe you ought to lobby to set the gas tax where it should be for a nation that imports 50% of it&#039;s oil.
maybe $5 a gallon.

btw, you should be even more upset at the national debt that&#039;s been building for 30 years now, with no end in sight.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that rather depends on where you are, what you do, and what you want in life.<br />
for some years i did take the bus to work.<br />
on the other hand, for recreation, it would have taken me 1-2 hours each way to do what i wanted to.</p>
<p>i find it interesting that fairly often people ask what other people should be doing.<br />
it may be that you live in NY, where owning a car really isn&#8217;t necessary.<br />
if you lived in west texas, where there is no public transportation, it would be a very different story.<br />
(i was just there, unfortunately.)</p>
<p>in fact, i live at the top of a rather steep hill.<br />
and there isn&#8217;t a bus.<br />
i&#8217;d have to take a taxi every time i came home.<br />
particularly if i had a bag of groceries.<br />
if i wanted to visit some friends 10 miles or so away, i&#8217;d be looking at 3 different public transportation rides, each way.<br />
turns out that i&#8217;m somewhat forgetful these days.<br />
i can run down to the market in 20 minutes, or depend on the once every 1/2 hour bus.<br />
and take a taxi back up the hill that i&#8217;m really not inclined to carry a gallon or 2 of milk up.</p>
<p>it may be that you don&#8217;t mind being tied to public transportation.<br />
however there are lots of us that find it quite hampering.<br />
it&#8217;s not that we drive an SUV to go get our groceries.<br />
but at the same time, we&#8217;d rather not be restricted to the local bus schedule, and not go anywhere on Sunday.</p>
<p>Clearly there are people that waste more gas than would seem appropriate.<br />
if that&#8217;s your problem, then maybe you ought to lobby to set the gas tax where it should be for a nation that imports 50% of it&#8217;s oil.<br />
maybe $5 a gallon.</p>
<p>btw, you should be even more upset at the national debt that&#8217;s been building for 30 years now, with no end in sight.<br />
but</p>
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		<title>By: F. Perdurabo</title>
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		<dc:creator>F. Perdurabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably not, however, keep in mind we&#039;re living Henry Ford&#039;s dream.  These kinds of situations take decades to change.  It&#039;s like turning a battleship.  The &quot;oil infrastructure&quot; is so enormous and far reaching that the idea of turning this mess around is very far fetched.  Concerned, caring, loving, and generous people have been proving for centuries that the rich, greedy, power hungry people in this world call the shots, and have the military and police to back them up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably not, however, keep in mind we&#8217;re living Henry Ford&#8217;s dream.  These kinds of situations take decades to change.  It&#8217;s like turning a battleship.  The &quot;oil infrastructure&quot; is so enormous and far reaching that the idea of turning this mess around is very far fetched.  Concerned, caring, loving, and generous people have been proving for centuries that the rich, greedy, power hungry people in this world call the shots, and have the military and police to back them up.</p>
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		<title>By: wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No!
Using private automobiles is a bad habit. Since 20 years I don&#039;t use private cars. i use my feet or the train. And i live very comfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No!<br />
Using private automobiles is a bad habit. Since 20 years I don&#8217;t use private cars. i use my feet or the train. And i live very comfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The human race will die anyway wen the sun dies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The human race will die anyway wen the sun dies</p>
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		<title>By: Onthelevel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Onthelevel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, lets see.  People do like to get to work, and then get home again.  They like to shop for food and other necessities.  And, getting to school and back is probably a good idea.  Also, it&#039;s nice that trucks and trains can move merchandise to where it is needed.   By the way, how do you get to work and back?  Why don&#039;t you help the world out, and walk or ride a bicycle everywhere?  Thanx in advance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, lets see.  People do like to get to work, and then get home again.  They like to shop for food and other necessities.  And, getting to school and back is probably a good idea.  Also, it&#8217;s nice that trucks and trains can move merchandise to where it is needed.   By the way, how do you get to work and back?  Why don&#8217;t you help the world out, and walk or ride a bicycle everywhere?  Thanx in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: maaaja</title>
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		<dc:creator>maaaja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It really solely depends on the city infrastructure and the time you spend extra for local transportation. So before you ask your questing you have to think about all the different spaces people live in. Mostly peoples personal philosophy where to live and where to work matters. If you have to drive from a to b it&#039;s really uncomfortable and costly then live and work in one place. I don&#039;t think ppl are addicted(most) it&#039;s just that our world is made in the way where cars are calculated in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It really solely depends on the city infrastructure and the time you spend extra for local transportation. So before you ask your questing you have to think about all the different spaces people live in. Mostly peoples personal philosophy where to live and where to work matters. If you have to drive from a to b it&#8217;s really uncomfortable and costly then live and work in one place. I don&#8217;t think ppl are addicted(most) it&#8217;s just that our world is made in the way where cars are calculated in.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I refine your question, and then respond? 

The &quot;private automobile&quot; is one component of a larger addiction - our addiction to cheap fuel, which enables a culture of conspicuous consumption (public and private).  Someone above suggested that they are not contributing to the pollution, energy waste, and material and economic waste you speak of because they do not drive; they walk or take the train.  Do you agree with that?

I don&#039;t.  Our addiction does not solely pertain to the cars we do (or do not) drive. Only 30% of carbon dioxide emissions are attributable to automobiles.  We leave our lights on without thinking twice.  We play (amazingly fun) video games for hours on end which require a significant amount of energy to function and enumerable resources to build and ship around the world.  We eat food (both veggies and meats (especially in the United States)) that are produced with fertilizers made with petroleum, farmed with machines powered by petroleum, and supplemented with high corn fructose syrup (extremely water intensive and terribly harmful to our health), for the purpose of making our food cheaper.  We want to eat more, and have no idea how wasteful, polluting and dangerous that processes that enable us to do so are to ourselves and planet. We are deforesting our planet at rapid rates to power and build our material obsession.  Do you know how much top soil has disappeared in the last thirty years?  By the way - we need topsoil to grow food. 

We can waste because we can.  Is it worth it? Not for my children.  Certainly not for my grandchildren.  We are eating their food today.

Is it worth it?  I&#039;ll ask the same question differently.  How selfish are you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I refine your question, and then respond? </p>
<p>The &quot;private automobile&quot; is one component of a larger addiction &#8211; our addiction to cheap fuel, which enables a culture of conspicuous consumption (public and private).  Someone above suggested that they are not contributing to the pollution, energy waste, and material and economic waste you speak of because they do not drive; they walk or take the train.  Do you agree with that?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t.  Our addiction does not solely pertain to the cars we do (or do not) drive. Only 30% of carbon dioxide emissions are attributable to automobiles.  We leave our lights on without thinking twice.  We play (amazingly fun) video games for hours on end which require a significant amount of energy to function and enumerable resources to build and ship around the world.  We eat food (both veggies and meats (especially in the United States)) that are produced with fertilizers made with petroleum, farmed with machines powered by petroleum, and supplemented with high corn fructose syrup (extremely water intensive and terribly harmful to our health), for the purpose of making our food cheaper.  We want to eat more, and have no idea how wasteful, polluting and dangerous that processes that enable us to do so are to ourselves and planet. We are deforesting our planet at rapid rates to power and build our material obsession.  Do you know how much top soil has disappeared in the last thirty years?  By the way &#8211; we need topsoil to grow food. </p>
<p>We can waste because we can.  Is it worth it? Not for my children.  Certainly not for my grandchildren.  We are eating their food today.</p>
<p>Is it worth it?  I&#8217;ll ask the same question differently.  How selfish are you?</p>
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		<title>By: PickleFace</title>
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		<dc:creator>PickleFace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not in the slightest.
But we&#039;re trapped in the maze.
We at the low end of the wealth food chain need those cars to get to the only jobs available to earn our living.
I want better. I know that there is better, cleaner, healthier ways.  But there&#039;s a very real and not so secret conspiracy (by which i mean a group of people who agree on their agenda) of groups and industries who don&#039;t just promote the personal car and the gasoline engine and the highway system, but who deliberately hold back the mass transit, the electric personal cars, the clean energy providers and the recycling industries.

The candle has been burning at both ends for a long time and long before we see the world run out of oil, we&#039;ll see more and more of these panicky accidents like the Gulf.  It has the potential to devastate all life in its path just as sure as if it were a broken nuclear reactor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in the slightest.<br />
But we&#8217;re trapped in the maze.<br />
We at the low end of the wealth food chain need those cars to get to the only jobs available to earn our living.<br />
I want better. I know that there is better, cleaner, healthier ways.  But there&#8217;s a very real and not so secret conspiracy (by which i mean a group of people who agree on their agenda) of groups and industries who don&#8217;t just promote the personal car and the gasoline engine and the highway system, but who deliberately hold back the mass transit, the electric personal cars, the clean energy providers and the recycling industries.</p>
<p>The candle has been burning at both ends for a long time and long before we see the world run out of oil, we&#8217;ll see more and more of these panicky accidents like the Gulf.  It has the potential to devastate all life in its path just as sure as if it were a broken nuclear reactor.</p>
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		<title>By: Mean man, grumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mean man, grumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t answer for city folks, I need transport until I can care for a horse properly. My house is now twelve volts (automotive Equipment) and solar. Most folks who don&#039;t like autos won&#039;t look beyond the obvious downside to see benefit. Automotive technology can easily provide power for an entire house, just be clever. Personal transport will never go away, I see this, I will adapt it properly. I use two gallons of gas per month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t answer for city folks, I need transport until I can care for a horse properly. My house is now twelve volts (automotive Equipment) and solar. Most folks who don&#8217;t like autos won&#8217;t look beyond the obvious downside to see benefit. Automotive technology can easily provide power for an entire house, just be clever. Personal transport will never go away, I see this, I will adapt it properly. I use two gallons of gas per month.</p>
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		<title>By: crude dude telling it like it is</title>
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		<dc:creator>crude dude telling it like it is</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems to be.   Just stop using your auto for a year and you tell me.  Because I have to &quot;hoof it&quot;for that long.   And it won&#039;t hardly stop raining.    As for work.....well I can kiss that goodbye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to be.   Just stop using your auto for a year and you tell me.  Because I have to &quot;hoof it&quot;for that long.   And it won&#8217;t hardly stop raining.    As for work&#8230;..well I can kiss that goodbye.</p>
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