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		<title>How confident are you in the accuracy of climate models?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 18:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question: How confident are you in the accuracy of climate models? Do you think they&#8217;re generally accurate? Worthless? On what do you base this conclusion? Here is one scientist&#8217;s take: Many of the comments to previous blogs have stated that models are “just” a set of assumptions, and that the processes in the Earth’s climate [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><i>Question</i>: How confident are you in the accuracy of climate models?</strong><br />
Do you think they&#8217;re generally accurate?  Worthless?  On what do you base this conclusion?</p>
<p>Here is one scientist&#8217;s take:</p>
<p>Many of the comments to previous blogs have stated that models are “just” a set of assumptions, and that the processes in the Earth’s climate are so complex that they defy our attempts to model them with any rigor. There are assumptions that are made when models are built, but those assumptions are not simply pulled out of a bag of magic tricks. In fact, arbitrary, unjustified assumptions are generally repelled from the modeling community because, first and foremost, the models need to describe some set of observations and the evolution of those observations, i.e. prediction. Most components of models are, just like my original modeling efforts, a representation of mathematical equations that rigorously describe the motion of the atmosphere. The idea that I and my colleagues would work from some potpourri of unjustified assumptions is, in fact, a bit offensive.</p>
<p>http://www.wunderground.com/blog/RickyRood/comment.html?entrynum=57&#038;tstamp=200801</p>
<p>Jello, welcome to our side.</p>
<p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Climate_Change_Attribution.png</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p><i>Answer by odysseus1959</i><br/>Look at who pays the bill, thats how the data come out.<br />
Science bent to fit your needs.</p>
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		<title>Q&amp;A: Just how accurate are these climate models that predict huge temperature increases over the next century?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2012 10:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question: Just how accurate are these climate models that predict huge temperature increases over the next century? They predict an increase of around 5 degrees Celsius, but is it even possible to predict the climate that far into the future? Answer: Answer by Richard the PhysicistI guess you&#8217;ll find out by the end of the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><i>Question</i>: Just how accurate are these climate models that predict huge temperature increases over the next century?</strong><br />
They predict an increase of around 5 degrees Celsius, but is it even possible to predict the climate that far into the future?</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p><i>Answer by Richard the Physicist</i><br/>I guess you&#8217;ll find out by the end of the century.</p>
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		<title>What can global climate models tell us about life on earth for future generations?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Question: What can global climate models tell us about life on earth for future generations? What can global climate models tell us about life on earth for future generations? Can i get a good answer Thanks!! Answer: Answer by crisGlobal Warming is dangerous, and alot can happen, such as the ice melting wich can cause [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong><i>Question</i>: What can global climate models tell us about life on earth for future generations?</strong><br />
What can global climate models tell us about life on earth for future generations?</p>
<p>Can i get a good answer <img src='http://greengrl.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thanks!!</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p><i>Answer by cris</i><br/>Global Warming is dangerous, and alot can happen, such as the ice melting wich can cause floods or dangerous winds all kinds of stuff, pollution in air will be bad for our lungs, well die =(<br />
theres more stuff about it. Hope it gave u a idea</p>
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		<title>How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by manos_simonides Question: How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available? How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available? Plllease Give Me a good answer! Thanks!!! Answer: Answer by odysseus1959Make it so water is frozen or in a vapor form, we [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong><i>Question</i>: How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available?</strong><br />
How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available?</p>
<p>Plllease Give Me a good answer! <img src='http://greengrl.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks!!!</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p><i>Answer by odysseus1959</i><br/>Make it so water is frozen or in a vapor form, we are in between., not AT one or the other.  One must realize that there is no norm or set point, it changes, just as the continents move.</p>
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		<title>Q&amp;A: One of the major limits to making better computer-based climate models is what?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 10:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by jeancliclac Question: One of the major limits to making better computer-based climate models is what? One of the major limits to making better computer-based climate models is 1) faster computers. 2) more support for research on the use of technology to study climate. 3) collecting more data from existing research projects. 4) understanding global [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong><i>Question</i>: One of the major limits to making better computer-based climate models is what?</strong><br />
One of the major limits to making better computer-based climate models is<br />
1) faster computers.<br />
 2) more support for research on the use of technology to study climate.<br />
 3) collecting more data from existing research projects.<br />
 4) understanding global climate processes.</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p><i>Answer by Edesigner</i><br/>1&#8230;no computers are plenty fast<br />
2. throwing more money at the problem ,,wellllll<br />
3. collecting more data from research projects,,this could be it but if your not familiar with 4. how the global climate processes  take place then your out of the money&#8230;so I pick D&#8230;.4&#8230;From the E&#8230;</p>
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		<title>How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Apr 2011 10:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by \!/_PeacePlusOne Question: How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available? How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available? Plllease Give Me a good answer! Thanks!!! Answer: Answer by david_bowman_scThe fact is&#8230;.our current models, as intricate as they are, fail miserably [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong><i>Question</i>: How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available?</strong><br />
How can we model future changes in the global climate with the scientific models available?</p>
<p>Plllease Give Me a good answer! <img src='http://greengrl.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks!!!</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p><i>Answer by david_bowman_sc</i><br/>The fact is&#8230;.our current models, as intricate as they are, fail miserably at predicting our current climates based upon the data of the past century.  Because they cannot model our current climates using fairly accurate historical data, there is no way for them to model future climate changes or &#8220;global warming&#8221; because there is no accurate data.  Models that pretend to predict the climate a century from now, try to use current conditions and &#8220;estimated&#8221; values of dozens of variables for the future.  </p>
<p>As an example, clouds made of water vapor, both reflect sunlight back into space, trap heat in the atmosphere, and deliver water in the form of ice, snow, and rain.  Without knowing how much cloud cover exists in say, 2025, and over what specific areas of the planet, we cannot tell what conditions will exist in 2030, 2035, or 2100.  There are literally hundreds of variables that each climate model must account for in order to predict the general climate.  Because of all these variables, it is impossible to estimate how the climate in a particular area, say western Europe, will change.</p>
<p>Forecasters are only now getting to the point (thanks to massive computing power) where an accurate forecast of the weather can be delivered for the following four or five days.  Beyond that, chaotic elements limit forecasters to predicting as percentages of chance, or ranges of temperatures and precipication.</p>
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		<title>Q&amp;A: Is this why the climate models always fail to predict the future?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[by fotdmike Question: Is this why the climate models always fail to predict the future? The models are hind-cast to fit past climate data. Since this climate data has been altered the models are fundamentally flawed and therefore do not fit the REAL temperature curves going forward. It would make sense that the models don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
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<p><strong><i>Question</i>: Is this why the climate models always fail to predict the future?</strong><br />
The models are hind-cast to fit past climate data.  Since this climate data has been altered the models are fundamentally flawed and therefore do not fit the REAL temperature curves going forward.  It would make sense that the models don&#8217;t parallel observation.</p>
<p><strong>Answer:</strong></p>
<p><i>Answer by Noah Tall</i><br/>That&#8217;s the problem when you &#8220;peer review&#8221; yourself.  The extent to which they will go knows no bounds.  They should re-hire Jim Salinger just so they can fire him again for the New Zealand climate record.  Based on what they did to the NZ data, they have good reason to try to hide their data.  It&#8217;s criminal.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Someone I know is looking for funding to build a green energy invention. Can&#8217;t give details because inventions have to be protected, but if anyone knows of a real source of funding for this kind of thing your help would be nice. It has to be available to the average person though, not scientists and [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone I know is looking for funding to build a green energy invention. Can&#8217;t give details because inventions have to be protected, but if anyone knows of a real source of funding for this kind of thing your help would be nice. It has to be available to the average person though, not scientists and so on.<br />
Also this invetion so far has no working models, but it does not use any kind of fuel and produces no pollution. It is a power unit that will be used to turn a generator to produce electric.</p>
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		<title>How can climate scientists using in some cases only 30 years worth of data?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Say for a fact that we know that man is the main driving factor behind climate change. Just because the temperature has risen from a global minimum and CO2 has increased during the same time frame doesn&#8217;t mean that CO2 and methane are driving the temperature change. For MTR and others who spout the use [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Say for a fact that we know that man is the main driving factor behind climate change.  Just because the temperature has risen from a global minimum and CO2 has increased during the same time frame doesn&#8217;t mean that CO2 and methane are driving the temperature change.<br />
For MTR and others who spout the use of tree rings etc to recreate past temperature history, than why does the US EPA now is seriously doubting this information?  That is one of the points that I am trying to make, the more research into the climate the more the AGW models are being filled with doubts.</p>
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		<title>Is this why the climate models always fail to predict the future?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The models are hind-cast to fit past climate data. Since this climate data has been altered the models are fundamentally flawed and therefore do not fit the REAL temperature curves going forward. It would make sense that the models don&#8217;t parallel observation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The models are hind-cast to fit past climate data.  Since this climate data has been altered the models are fundamentally flawed and therefore do not fit the REAL temperature curves going forward.  It would make sense that the models don&#8217;t parallel observation.</p>
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